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Part of the reason why the Ruach HaKodesh instructed John on Patmos in AD 96 to write Revelation 18:4,5 is because He knew the adversary, Satan, would use the translator to incorrectly translate Matthew's original Aramaic writings into Greek deleting the words, ...and the bride out of Matthew 25:1. It is clear in Matthew 25:1-13 the five wise virgins go out to meet he groom and the bride. This proves the bride will "return" from the wedding ceremony with Yeshua fulfilling Luke 12:36 and that the 5 wise who go out to meet the groom and the bride, they will not be given in marriage proven in Mark 12:25. This can be further proved in the original Hebrew of Isaiah 54:5 and in the original Greek translations of 2 Corinthians 11:2. Paul clearly wrote in 2 Corinthians 11:2 that the many members of the body of Christ would be espoused to one husband as chaste virgins, not chaste husbands and wives. There is 1 wife mentioned in Revelation 19:7 which can be further verified with 1 Timothy 3:2. Husband in the Greek translation means to be Lord or husband over, and to be a husband to one wife. Satan knew that 2 Corinthians 11:2 would be incorrectly interpreted if the bride was deleted out of Matthew 25:1. This is why John wrote a warning in Revelation 18:4,5 to come out of the church building system, to stop being a partaker of her sins and to stop receiving of her plagues. Matthew's original Aramaic Gospel was written around AD 70 shortly around the time the 2nd temple was destroyed. John wrote Revelation on Patmos in AD 26 roughly 26 years after Matthew's Gospel was written and mis-translated.
It is clear that husband in both the Greek and in the Hebrew means to be LORD over and to be a Husband of one wife. John never wrote husbands and wives in Revelation 19:7-9, he wrote wife in the singular tense. You are not rightly dividing the word of truth, it is clear you are puffed up with pride and in total violation of 2 Timothy 2:15 and Mark 8:38 where it is clear that when the rapture happens, the Spirit and the Bride will say come (Revelation 22:17) when Yeshua returns FROM the Wedding with His Bride so the 5 wise will go out to meet them fulfilling Matthew 25:1 in Aramaic in Plain English Translation. These 5 wise are proven to NOT be given in marriage according to Mark 12:25. It is very clear according to Luke 24:44 that Yeshua would fulfill ALL Scripture concerning Him, and this would definitely also include Proverbs 31 by having 1 Proverbs 31 woman. The Word of Elohim is not bound Paul wrote to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:19. Quit spreading deception these very last days, it is clear the Ruach HaKodesh will guide the 5 wise into ALL truth and show them things to come (John 16:13.) Shalom.
- Andrea Suzanne (2/2/2019 12:28:21 AM)
Jesus is the last 'Adam' and like Adam His wife will come from HIS body. Paul explains 'the body of Christ' as being individuals who are set in with different functions. Some act as eyes, some as ears, some as hands, etc. So it is with the 'bride', each believer will be part of the body of the bride, acting as eyes, ears, hands, etc. John tells us in Rev. and Paul confirms that we will be 'kings and priests' so we do have a future function that can only be performed by a multitude of people, who make up the body of the bride of Christ.
The relationship of Christ to the bride is similar to God's relationship with Israel, in which God was married to the children of Israel. God was not a bigamist, with a vast harem. It is an analogy which gives further insight to his relationship with His people. As a proof text I offer Paul's words to the believerS at Corinth: 2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.
- Willis Deal (2/1/2019 6:08:33 PM)
Whomever your issue or argument is with, it is not with me.
I did not come here to spread strife but to address my Father’s Torah which you misrepresented, as well the nature of Shalumah’s sin or lawlessness as it related to MARRIAGE, not REVELATION.
I made no representatations otherwise, as stated: I was not aware of the interpretation you offered on Rev. and simply asked you for you source, thank you for providing it. If you are offended because I addressed mixing or using of pagan and Hebrew words... His name nor title is g-d... His is an assembly or congregation not the greek “church” or circus, from “circies”... l-rd is not His name or title but YHWH. l-rd g-d comes straight from Phoenicia and their deity of fortune “baal-gad”. And His Shabbat or Sabbath is the 6th day.
http://www.eriktology.net/articles/who-is-gimel_dalet/
Shalom.
Strongs H1408/H1409
- A-NZYR (9/14/2018 4:12:13 PM)
Whomever your issue or argument is with, it is not with me.
I did not come here to spread strife but to address my Father’s Torah which you misrepresented, as well the nature of Shalumah’s sin or lawlessness as it related to MARRIAGE, not REVELATION.
I made no representatations otherwise, as stated: I was not aware of the interpretation you offered on Rev. and simply asked you for you source, thank you for providing it. If you are offended because I addressed mixing or using of pagan and Hebrew words... His name nor title is g-d... His is an assembly or congregation not the greek “church” or circus, from “circies”... l-rd is not His name or title but YHWH. l-rd g-d comes straight from Phoenicia and their deity of fortune “baal-gad”. And His Shabbat or Sabbath is the 6th day.
http://www.eriktology.net/articles/who-is-gimel_dalet/
Shalom.
Strongs H1408/H1409
- A-NZYR (9/8/2018 1:11:08 PM)
I somehow wrote the Shabbat/Sabbath was the 6th day... an obviously grave typo. 7th - SEVENTH.
- A-NZYR (9/6/2018 8:57:03 AM)
“I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, that you tell Him, that I am sick of love” – Song of Songs 5:8. The phrase “sick of love” is mentioned twice in the first five chapters of the Song of Songs having two different experiences in two different situations of the seeking lover.
1) Song of Songs 2:5 – The seeking lover being “sick of love” is due to the excess of delight in His loving presence with His abundance of grace toward her. Love streamed into her and she was overwhelmed to the point of sickness. Too much love on His side, and too little capacity on hers to receive Him overcame her to the point of sickness.
2) Song of Songs 5:8 – The seeking lover being “sick of love” is due to His absence. His withdrawal from her and His silence toward her made her ill, longing for His love to return. She will not be relieved until she finds Him and the two are made one. The depth of His work in her and union with Him manifests such longings of love considered as being “sick”.
- Frank Pytel, "The Two Become One" (9/5/2018 7:34:26 AM)
Whomever your issue or argument is with, it is not with me.
I did not come here to spread strife but to address my Father’s Torah which you misrepresented, as well the nature of Shalumah’s sin or lawlessness as it related to MARRIAGE, not REVELATION.
I made no representatations otherwise, as stated: I was not aware of the interpretation you offered on Rev. and simply asked you for you source, thank you for providing it. If you are offended because I addressed mixing or using of pagan and Hebrew words... His name nor title is g-d... His is an assembly or congregation not the greek “church” or circus, from “circies”... l-rd is not His name or title but YHWH. l-rd g-d comes straight from Phoenicia and their deity of fortune “baal-gad”. And His Shabbat or Sabbath is the 6th day.
http://www.eriktology.net/articles/who-is-gimel_dalet/
Shalom.
Strongs H1408/H1409
- A-NZYR (9/4/2018 2:56:27 PM)
Clearly Matthew wrote in Matthew 25:1 the 10 virgins went forth to meet the groom and the bride. Here is the reference: https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/matthew/25.htm You are running out of time. It is clear you do not understand the Bride of Christ doctrine where it is clear Yeshua's wife of Revelation 19:7 is a separate entity than the saints of Revelation 19:8. The Old Testament revealed is the New Testament concealed, and it is clear in Psalm 45 the daughter of the King is the 1 Woman Bride of Christ, Yeshua's wife of Revelation 19:7 and that the virgins, the companions of the daughter of the King of Psalm 45:14 are the saints of Revelation 19:8, the many members of the Body of Christ. You are in violation of Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. It is clear Biblical Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman in Matthew 19. If you do not understand this, there is no need to keep arguing with you, as you are deceived. I encourage you to read Obadiah 1:3 as it is clear the pridefulness in your heart has deceived you. You are not a true berean and you do not rightly divide the word of Truth. I wipe the dust off my feet, I refuse to argue with you from here on out.
- Andrea Suzanne (9/4/2018 7:09:34 AM)
Shalom. I don’t think you understood my question and it’s deeper meaning or implication.
You wrote: “If you believe in Biblical marriage, that is between 1 man and 1 woman, and if you believe Yeshua HaMashiach is ALLOWED to fulfill ALL Scripture, including Song of Solomon 6:8-9, and Psalm 45:9,13-14, then you would be a true berean rightly dividing the word of Truth and not being ashamed.”
In your first statement you are breaking the command of YHWH by adding to or taking away from His word. No this is not the “Torah” version of marriage. I’m just responding to that statement.
The “bride” theology discussion is something separate.
שְׁלֹמֹה Shalamah broke the Torah in two principle ways in regard to his wives: 1) He married outside of Yashar’Al for political reasons (alliances) and 2) According to Torah a man may only take on the number of wives he can cloth, feed, and none may lose any standing or have less “conjugal” privileges as a result of any more wives - which narrows the field substantially below what he did.
That is the first issue. The second issue is you are mixing pagan and “Hebrew” throughout all of your words, not a “true Berean” as you put it, water does not mix with oil but with blood.
Your core thought on a single bride versus the “assembly or congregation” is something I have not heard but I would certainly be interested in seeing the Hebrew or Aramaic Hebrew source that you referenced.
Shalom!
- A-NZYR (9/3/2018 4:15:17 PM)
I never said any of the patriarchs had only 1 wife. I said that Solomon had a favorite wife among the hundreds he had. 1 Kings 11:3 proves Solomon had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives turned away his heart according to this scripture. This is why polygamy with foreign pagans is frowned upon. Solomon's heart was eventually turned towards the false gods of his wives. But it is clear Abishag, the Shulamite woman is but one, the favorite one, of Song of Solomon 6:9. It is clear in Deuteronomy 17:14-17 that polygamy is not recommended. “When you come to the land which the Lord your God is giving you, and possess it and dwell in it, and say, ‘I will set a king over me like all the nations that are around me,’ 15 you shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. 16 But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the Lord has said to you, ‘You shall not return that way again.’ 17 Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.
This polygamous Bride of Christ doctrine where men and women make up the wife of Yeshua HaMashiach is an abomination. Clearly Matthew wrote in Matthew 25:1 that the 10 virgins went to meet the Groom and the bride in the original Aramaic Scriptures. When Matthew's original Aramaic Scriptures were translated into Greek, the words "and the bride," were deleted and the word bridegroom was used instead. Clearly the Bride of Matthew 25:1 is Yeshua's 1 wife of Revelation 19:7, the daughter of the King of Psalm 45:13, the dove who is but one, the only one of her mother, the choice one. Abishag was Solomon's favorite wife who is 1 woman! John never wrote in Revelation that Yeshua would have many wives and husbands in Revelation 19:7, he wrote 1 wife! Which can be backed up further with scripture in 1 TImothy 3:2. Luke wrote in Luke 24:44 that ALL Scripture written in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and in the Psalms concerning Yeshua! This would include Deuteronomy 17:17, Psalm 45:13, Revelation 19:7 and Song of Solomon 6:9! It is clear Yeshua will have 1 wife and the saints mentioned in Revelation 19:8 are the many members of the Body of Christ, the virgins who are the companions of the daughter of the King mentioned in Psalm 45:14, the virgins too many to count in Song of Solomon 6:8. The church preaches that the Bride of Christ is the same as the Body of Christ and it is clear that the Body of Christ are many members. Yeshua wants one wife, 1 Timothy 3:2, not trillions of wives and husbands which is NOT what John wrote in Revelation 19:7! Peter speaks of false prophets bringing in damnable heresies in the last days in 2 Peter 2:1,2 which makes clear: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
John wrote in John 3:29 that he is a friend of the bridegroom and not part of this polygamous Bride the Pagan Church system believes in. John 3:29 KJV He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. Clearly John wrote about the bride and clearly stated he is a friend of the Bridegroom. I hope this answers your question. Shalom.
- Andrea Suzanne (9/1/2018 5:19:44 PM)
Which of the patriarchs had one wife? Shalom & Thank you sister.
- A-NZYR (9/1/2018 3:45:18 PM)
In Song of Solomon 3:11, the Shulamite woman, Solomon's favorite one, speaks to the daughter's of Jerusalem saying "Go forth, O ye daughters of Zion, and behold king Solomon with the crown wherewith his mother crowned him in the day of his espousals, and in the day of the gladness of his heart." Solomon had 60 queens and 80 concubines and many wives, but Abishag, the Shulamite woman was Solomon's dove, his favorite one (Song of Solomon 6:9). When the daughter's of Zion see the fulfillment of Psalm 45:13-14, that the daughter of the King will be Yeshua HaMashiach's dove, His favorite one, accompanied by the virgins her companions, they will know the true fulfillment of Revelation 22:17 where it is clear the Spirit and the Bride say "Come." Matthew makes clear in Matthew 25:1 that 10 virgins go out to meet the Groom and the Bride. Song of Solomon 5:8 mentions the daughters of Jerusalem, where Solomon's wife makes clear: "Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you, if you find my beloved, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." This charge was made to the daughters of Jerusalem by Solomon's favorite one, the Shulamite woman, that if they see the King during the day, they are called on to report the status of Solomon's new wife as wanting to be with Him.
This charge to the daughters of Jerusalem supports the idea that they were household servants. If they happen to see the king during the day, they are called on to report the status of Solomon’s new wife as being lovesick and wanting to be with him, and only him.
This is a foreshadow of Yeshua's dove, wanting to be with Him and only Him. Song of Solomon 5:16 ends a description of Solomon with "he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The Shulamite's husband is both her lover and her friend, something she declares openly to the young women of the city. This is a foreshadow of Yeshua's wife leaning on her beloved during the 2nd coming fulfilling Song of Solomon 8:4,5 which makes clear: I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, until he please. 5 "Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth that bare thee." Clearly when Yeshua comes back down to the Mount of Olives Song of Solomon 8:5, Revelation 19:14; and Zechariah 14:4,5 will be fulfilled. Yeshua's dove who is but one will be leaning on her beloved when the 2nd coming takes place at the end of the Great Tribulation. In the New Testament, Yeshua spoke to a group of women whom He calls "daughters of Jerusalem" on a certain occasion. As Yeshua carried the stake to Calvary, many women followed in mourning. He said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children." (Luke 23:28). Yeshua was speaking generally to all the women in the city of Jerusalem. The daughters of Jerusalem today play an important role in Song of Solomon. As the young maidens of the city listened to advice from Solomon's favorite wife, the Shulamite woman, they received wisdom about romance. If they were indeed servants of Solomon's household, they would have been a natural audience as they made preparations for the wedding and waited on their new queen. The same queen can be found in Psalm 45:9 where it is clear the sons of Korah wrote: "Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir." The daughter of the King will be brought to King Yeshua in a white wedding dress wrought in gold, the finest gold of Ophir, along with the virgins her companions." You ask Frank, if you are living a casual life as it relates to pursuing Christ? Christ's Bride and the Virgins her companions do not live casual lives when it comes to pursuing Christ. They stand firm with the Word of Elohim. If you believe in Biblical marriage, that is between 1 man and 1 woman, and if you believe Yeshua HaMashiach is ALLOWED to fulfill ALL Scripture, including Song of Solomon 6:8-9, and Psalm 45:9,13-14, then you would be a true berean rightly dividing the word of Truth and not being ashamed.
- Andrea Suzanne (9/1/2018 5:31:57 AM)
“I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, that you tell Him, that I am sick of love” – Song of Songs 5:8. The loving bride speaks to the daughters of Jerusalem who are mentioned repeatedly in the Song of Songs (1:5; 2:7; 3:5, 10; 5:8, 16; 8:4). Since they are daughters they are have life, and since they are of Jerusalem they are of high birth in the city of peace, the Jerusalem which is from above. (Gal. 4:26). These daughters are without fervency in their pursuit of the Beloved Christ, not esteeming Him as the loving bride does. Even though I am born from above with such a high calling, am I living a casual life as it relates to pursuing Christ?
- Frank Pytel, "The Two Become One" (8/31/2018 6:25:05 AM)
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- rami (9/25/2011 7:11:23 PM)
It is clear that husband in both the Greek and in the Hebrew means to be LORD over and to be a Husband of one wife. John never wrote husbands and wives in Revelation 19:7-9, he wrote wife in the singular tense. You are not rightly dividing the word of truth, it is clear you are puffed up with pride and in total violation of 2 Timothy 2:15 and Mark 8:38 where it is clear that when the rapture happens, the Spirit and the Bride will say come (Revelation 22:17) when Yeshua returns FROM the Wedding with His Bride so the 5 wise will go out to meet them fulfilling Matthew 25:1 in Aramaic in Plain English Translation. These 5 wise are proven to NOT be given in marriage according to Mark 12:25. It is very clear according to Luke 24:44 that Yeshua would fulfill ALL Scripture concerning Him, and this would definitely also include Proverbs 31 by having 1 Proverbs 31 woman. The Word of Elohim is not bound Paul wrote to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:19. Quit spreading deception these very last days, it is clear the Ruach HaKodesh will guide the 5 wise into ALL truth and show them things to come (John 16:13.) Shalom.
- Andrea Suzanne (2/2/2019 12:28:21 AM)
Jesus is the last 'Adam' and like Adam His wife will come from HIS body. Paul explains 'the body of Christ' as being individuals who are set in with different functions. Some act as eyes, some as ears, some as hands, etc. So it is with the 'bride', each believer will be part of the body of the bride, acting as eyes, ears, hands, etc. John tells us in Rev. and Paul confirms that we will be 'kings and priests' so we do have a future function that can only be performed by a multitude of people, who make up the body of the bride of Christ.
The relationship of Christ to the bride is similar to God's relationship with Israel, in which God was married to the children of Israel. God was not a bigamist, with a vast harem. It is an analogy which gives further insight to his relationship with His people. As a proof text I offer Paul's words to the believerS at Corinth: 2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.
- Willis Deal (2/1/2019 6:08:33 PM)
Whomever your issue or argument is with, it is not with me.
I did not come here to spread strife but to address my Father’s Torah which you misrepresented, as well the nature of Shalumah’s sin or lawlessness as it related to MARRIAGE, not REVELATION.
I made no representatations otherwise, as stated: I was not aware of the interpretation you offered on Rev. and simply asked you for you source, thank you for providing it. If you are offended because I addressed mixing or using of pagan and Hebrew words... His name nor title is g-d... His is an assembly or congregation not the greek “church” or circus, from “circies”... l-rd is not His name or title but YHWH. l-rd g-d comes straight from Phoenicia and their deity of fortune “baal-gad”. And His Shabbat or Sabbath is the 6th day.
http://www.eriktology.net/articles/who-is-gimel_dalet/
Shalom.
Strongs H1408/H1409
- A-NZYR (9/14/2018 4:12:13 PM)
Whomever your issue or argument is with, it is not with me.
I did not come here to spread strife but to address my Father’s Torah which you misrepresented, as well the nature of Shalumah’s sin or lawlessness as it related to MARRIAGE, not REVELATION.
I made no representatations otherwise, as stated: I was not aware of the interpretation you offered on Rev. and simply asked you for you source, thank you for providing it. If you are offended because I addressed mixing or using of pagan and Hebrew words... His name nor title is g-d... His is an assembly or congregation not the greek “church” or circus, from “circies”... l-rd is not His name or title but YHWH. l-rd g-d comes straight from Phoenicia and their deity of fortune “baal-gad”. And His Shabbat or Sabbath is the 6th day.
http://www.eriktology.net/articles/who-is-gimel_dalet/
Shalom.
Strongs H1408/H1409
- A-NZYR (9/8/2018 1:11:08 PM)
I somehow wrote the Shabbat/Sabbath was the 6th day... an obviously grave typo. 7th - SEVENTH.
- A-NZYR (9/6/2018 8:57:03 AM)
“I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, that you tell Him, that I am sick of love” – Song of Songs 5:8. The phrase “sick of love” is mentioned twice in the first five chapters of the Song of Songs having two different experiences in two different situations of the seeking lover.
1) Song of Songs 2:5 – The seeking lover being “sick of love” is due to the excess of delight in His loving presence with His abundance of grace toward her. Love streamed into her and she was overwhelmed to the point of sickness. Too much love on His side, and too little capacity on hers to receive Him overcame her to the point of sickness.
2) Song of Songs 5:8 – The seeking lover being “sick of love” is due to His absence. His withdrawal from her and His silence toward her made her ill, longing for His love to return. She will not be relieved until she finds Him and the two are made one. The depth of His work in her and union with Him manifests such longings of love considered as being “sick”.
- Frank Pytel, "The Two Become One" (9/5/2018 7:34:26 AM)
Whomever your issue or argument is with, it is not with me.
I did not come here to spread strife but to address my Father’s Torah which you misrepresented, as well the nature of Shalumah’s sin or lawlessness as it related to MARRIAGE, not REVELATION.
I made no representatations otherwise, as stated: I was not aware of the interpretation you offered on Rev. and simply asked you for you source, thank you for providing it. If you are offended because I addressed mixing or using of pagan and Hebrew words... His name nor title is g-d... His is an assembly or congregation not the greek “church” or circus, from “circies”... l-rd is not His name or title but YHWH. l-rd g-d comes straight from Phoenicia and their deity of fortune “baal-gad”. And His Shabbat or Sabbath is the 6th day.
http://www.eriktology.net/articles/who-is-gimel_dalet/
Shalom.
Strongs H1408/H1409
- A-NZYR (9/4/2018 2:56:27 PM)
Clearly Matthew wrote in Matthew 25:1 the 10 virgins went forth to meet the groom and the bride. Here is the reference: https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/matthew/25.htm You are running out of time. It is clear you do not understand the Bride of Christ doctrine where it is clear Yeshua's wife of Revelation 19:7 is a separate entity than the saints of Revelation 19:8. The Old Testament revealed is the New Testament concealed, and it is clear in Psalm 45 the daughter of the King is the 1 Woman Bride of Christ, Yeshua's wife of Revelation 19:7 and that the virgins, the companions of the daughter of the King of Psalm 45:14 are the saints of Revelation 19:8, the many members of the Body of Christ. You are in violation of Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. It is clear Biblical Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman in Matthew 19. If you do not understand this, there is no need to keep arguing with you, as you are deceived. I encourage you to read Obadiah 1:3 as it is clear the pridefulness in your heart has deceived you. You are not a true berean and you do not rightly divide the word of Truth. I wipe the dust off my feet, I refuse to argue with you from here on out.
- Andrea Suzanne (9/4/2018 7:09:34 AM)
Shalom. I don’t think you understood my question and it’s deeper meaning or implication.
You wrote: “If you believe in Biblical marriage, that is between 1 man and 1 woman, and if you believe Yeshua HaMashiach is ALLOWED to fulfill ALL Scripture, including Song of Solomon 6:8-9, and Psalm 45:9,13-14, then you would be a true berean rightly dividing the word of Truth and not being ashamed.”
In your first statement you are breaking the command of YHWH by adding to or taking away from His word. No this is not the “Torah” version of marriage. I’m just responding to that statement.
The “bride” theology discussion is something separate.
שְׁלֹמֹה Shalamah broke the Torah in two principle ways in regard to his wives: 1) He married outside of Yashar’Al for political reasons (alliances) and 2) According to Torah a man may only take on the number of wives he can cloth, feed, and none may lose any standing or have less “conjugal” privileges as a result of any more wives - which narrows the field substantially below what he did.
That is the first issue. The second issue is you are mixing pagan and “Hebrew” throughout all of your words, not a “true Berean” as you put it, water does not mix with oil but with blood.
Your core thought on a single bride versus the “assembly or congregation” is something I have not heard but I would certainly be interested in seeing the Hebrew or Aramaic Hebrew source that you referenced.
Shalom!
- A-NZYR (9/3/2018 4:15:17 PM)
I never said any of the patriarchs had only 1 wife. I said that Solomon had a favorite wife among the hundreds he had. 1 Kings 11:3 proves Solomon had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives turned away his heart according to this scripture. This is why polygamy with foreign pagans is frowned upon. Solomon's heart was eventually turned towards the false gods of his wives. But it is clear Abishag, the Shulamite woman is but one, the favorite one, of Song of Solomon 6:9. It is clear in Deuteronomy 17:14-17 that polygamy is not recommended. “When you come to the land which the Lord your God is giving you, and possess it and dwell in it, and say, ‘I will set a king over me like all the nations that are around me,’ 15 you shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. 16 But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the Lord has said to you, ‘You shall not return that way again.’ 17 Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.
This polygamous Bride of Christ doctrine where men and women make up the wife of Yeshua HaMashiach is an abomination. Clearly Matthew wrote in Matthew 25:1 that the 10 virgins went to meet the Groom and the bride in the original Aramaic Scriptures. When Matthew's original Aramaic Scriptures were translated into Greek, the words "and the bride," were deleted and the word bridegroom was used instead. Clearly the Bride of Matthew 25:1 is Yeshua's 1 wife of Revelation 19:7, the daughter of the King of Psalm 45:13, the dove who is but one, the only one of her mother, the choice one. Abishag was Solomon's favorite wife who is 1 woman! John never wrote in Revelation that Yeshua would have many wives and husbands in Revelation 19:7, he wrote 1 wife! Which can be backed up further with scripture in 1 TImothy 3:2. Luke wrote in Luke 24:44 that ALL Scripture written in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and in the Psalms concerning Yeshua! This would include Deuteronomy 17:17, Psalm 45:13, Revelation 19:7 and Song of Solomon 6:9! It is clear Yeshua will have 1 wife and the saints mentioned in Revelation 19:8 are the many members of the Body of Christ, the virgins who are the companions of the daughter of the King mentioned in Psalm 45:14, the virgins too many to count in Song of Solomon 6:8. The church preaches that the Bride of Christ is the same as the Body of Christ and it is clear that the Body of Christ are many members. Yeshua wants one wife, 1 Timothy 3:2, not trillions of wives and husbands which is NOT what John wrote in Revelation 19:7! Peter speaks of false prophets bringing in damnable heresies in the last days in 2 Peter 2:1,2 which makes clear: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
John wrote in John 3:29 that he is a friend of the bridegroom and not part of this polygamous Bride the Pagan Church system believes in. John 3:29 KJV He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. Clearly John wrote about the bride and clearly stated he is a friend of the Bridegroom. I hope this answers your question. Shalom.
- Andrea Suzanne (9/1/2018 5:19:44 PM)
Which of the patriarchs had one wife? Shalom & Thank you sister.
- A-NZYR (9/1/2018 3:45:18 PM)
In Song of Solomon 3:11, the Shulamite woman, Solomon's favorite one, speaks to the daughter's of Jerusalem saying "Go forth, O ye daughters of Zion, and behold king Solomon with the crown wherewith his mother crowned him in the day of his espousals, and in the day of the gladness of his heart." Solomon had 60 queens and 80 concubines and many wives, but Abishag, the Shulamite woman was Solomon's dove, his favorite one (Song of Solomon 6:9). When the daughter's of Zion see the fulfillment of Psalm 45:13-14, that the daughter of the King will be Yeshua HaMashiach's dove, His favorite one, accompanied by the virgins her companions, they will know the true fulfillment of Revelation 22:17 where it is clear the Spirit and the Bride say "Come." Matthew makes clear in Matthew 25:1 that 10 virgins go out to meet the Groom and the Bride. Song of Solomon 5:8 mentions the daughters of Jerusalem, where Solomon's wife makes clear: "Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you, if you find my beloved, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." This charge was made to the daughters of Jerusalem by Solomon's favorite one, the Shulamite woman, that if they see the King during the day, they are called on to report the status of Solomon's new wife as wanting to be with Him.
This charge to the daughters of Jerusalem supports the idea that they were household servants. If they happen to see the king during the day, they are called on to report the status of Solomon’s new wife as being lovesick and wanting to be with him, and only him.
This is a foreshadow of Yeshua's dove, wanting to be with Him and only Him. Song of Solomon 5:16 ends a description of Solomon with "he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The Shulamite's husband is both her lover and her friend, something she declares openly to the young women of the city. This is a foreshadow of Yeshua's wife leaning on her beloved during the 2nd coming fulfilling Song of Solomon 8:4,5 which makes clear: I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, until he please. 5 "Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth that bare thee." Clearly when Yeshua comes back down to the Mount of Olives Song of Solomon 8:5, Revelation 19:14; and Zechariah 14:4,5 will be fulfilled. Yeshua's dove who is but one will be leaning on her beloved when the 2nd coming takes place at the end of the Great Tribulation. In the New Testament, Yeshua spoke to a group of women whom He calls "daughters of Jerusalem" on a certain occasion. As Yeshua carried the stake to Calvary, many women followed in mourning. He said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children." (Luke 23:28). Yeshua was speaking generally to all the women in the city of Jerusalem. The daughters of Jerusalem today play an important role in Song of Solomon. As the young maidens of the city listened to advice from Solomon's favorite wife, the Shulamite woman, they received wisdom about romance. If they were indeed servants of Solomon's household, they would have been a natural audience as they made preparations for the wedding and waited on their new queen. The same queen can be found in Psalm 45:9 where it is clear the sons of Korah wrote: "Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir." The daughter of the King will be brought to King Yeshua in a white wedding dress wrought in gold, the finest gold of Ophir, along with the virgins her companions." You ask Frank, if you are living a casual life as it relates to pursuing Christ? Christ's Bride and the Virgins her companions do not live casual lives when it comes to pursuing Christ. They stand firm with the Word of Elohim. If you believe in Biblical marriage, that is between 1 man and 1 woman, and if you believe Yeshua HaMashiach is ALLOWED to fulfill ALL Scripture, including Song of Solomon 6:8-9, and Psalm 45:9,13-14, then you would be a true berean rightly dividing the word of Truth and not being ashamed.
- Andrea Suzanne (9/1/2018 5:31:57 AM)
“I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, that you tell Him, that I am sick of love” – Song of Songs 5:8. The loving bride speaks to the daughters of Jerusalem who are mentioned repeatedly in the Song of Songs (1:5; 2:7; 3:5, 10; 5:8, 16; 8:4). Since they are daughters they are have life, and since they are of Jerusalem they are of high birth in the city of peace, the Jerusalem which is from above. (Gal. 4:26). These daughters are without fervency in their pursuit of the Beloved Christ, not esteeming Him as the loving bride does. Even though I am born from above with such a high calling, am I living a casual life as it relates to pursuing Christ?
- Frank Pytel, "The Two Become One" (8/31/2018 6:25:05 AM)
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- rami (9/25/2011 7:11:23 PM)
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